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	<title>Comments on: Episode 2: Forgiving Your Religious Upbringing</title>
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	<description>Religion 2.0 is a learning blog + podcast about upgrading and remixing our religious sensibilities.  By learning a larger way of speaking, thinking, and feeling about our lives, we gain new skills and tools to reimagine and redesign religion itself so that it helps to strengthen and unite us, not weaken and divide us. Isn`t it about time religion got an upgrade?</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 20:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: HoCo</title>
		<link>http://ivorybakery.com/religion2/2008/02/18/episode-2-forgiving-your-religious-upbringing/#comment-44</link>
		<dc:creator>HoCo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 19:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've only listened through once, and while I would prefer to go through again to see if there's anything I missed, I have an...issue. Who are  you to apologize for any shortcomings, negativity or painful experiences that are rooted in my religious upbringing. You are not the pastor, priest or rabbi responsible for the teachings and presentation. You are not the teacher or administrator responsible for the setting and manner in which it was taught. I'm not saying I don't get the point of what it is you're trying to say, id; however I think that people who were truly harmed by their faith in their early years will find the presentation rings a bit hollow.

Even more so because little if any of this has changed, and many would argue (myself included) that a number of the issues have only worsened in the last generation. There's greater intolerance now for those with different religious views. Misogyny still exists and is promoted in a number of faiths. This makes the apology seem less relevant. You are not the perpetrator and we can only hope that you, in this undertaking, and others like you can truly bring about an upgrade to religion, a modern understanding of it, its place and what it can mean to each of us.

As for me, I need no apology for my early religious teachings. I would say the worst part of my experience is that was wholly uninspiring, not truly educational at all and ended the day of my Bar Mitzvah. I read from the Torah and I read my prayers and Haftorah in Hebrew without phonetics. But if asked what I was saying, I would not have known. Both linguistically and spiritually, I could not have told you. Because I didn't actually learn Hebrew, never understood the literal translations of the words I read, and as such could not have begun to discuss them spiritually. And then it was done, the day over, and I felt no need to continue with anything religious.

Keep up the good work, issues aside, I enjoyed both episodes, and religion and my own view of it has been on my mind lately, so I hope to see more. Recipes for soup and pie (cake is a lie) would be good too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve only listened through once, and while I would prefer to go through again to see if there&#8217;s anything I missed, I have an&#8230;issue. Who are  you to apologize for any shortcomings, negativity or painful experiences that are rooted in my religious upbringing. You are not the pastor, priest or rabbi responsible for the teachings and presentation. You are not the teacher or administrator responsible for the setting and manner in which it was taught. I&#8217;m not saying I don&#8217;t get the point of what it is you&#8217;re trying to say, id; however I think that people who were truly harmed by their faith in their early years will find the presentation rings a bit hollow.</p>
<p>Even more so because little if any of this has changed, and many would argue (myself included) that a number of the issues have only worsened in the last generation. There&#8217;s greater intolerance now for those with different religious views. Misogyny still exists and is promoted in a number of faiths. This makes the apology seem less relevant. You are not the perpetrator and we can only hope that you, in this undertaking, and others like you can truly bring about an upgrade to religion, a modern understanding of it, its place and what it can mean to each of us.</p>
<p>As for me, I need no apology for my early religious teachings. I would say the worst part of my experience is that was wholly uninspiring, not truly educational at all and ended the day of my Bar Mitzvah. I read from the Torah and I read my prayers and Haftorah in Hebrew without phonetics. But if asked what I was saying, I would not have known. Both linguistically and spiritually, I could not have told you. Because I didn&#8217;t actually learn Hebrew, never understood the literal translations of the words I read, and as such could not have begun to discuss them spiritually. And then it was done, the day over, and I felt no need to continue with anything religious.</p>
<p>Keep up the good work, issues aside, I enjoyed both episodes, and religion and my own view of it has been on my mind lately, so I hope to see more. Recipes for soup and pie (cake is a lie) would be good too.</p>
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		<title>By: zabrina liang</title>
		<link>http://ivorybakery.com/religion2/2008/02/18/episode-2-forgiving-your-religious-upbringing/#comment-30</link>
		<dc:creator>zabrina liang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 04:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brilliant!!  Can I start worshiping you now, please?  that would fill the void and uneasiness I have with not going to church!:)  

Are you starting a church or becoming a pastor or something?  this is so interesting!  I love it!  My old pastor would find this fascinating and probably use some in his sermon if he heard this!  Could I forward this to him?  anyway, keep it rockin'</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant!!  Can I start worshiping you now, please?  that would fill the void and uneasiness I have with not going to church!:)  </p>
<p>Are you starting a church or becoming a pastor or something?  this is so interesting!  I love it!  My old pastor would find this fascinating and probably use some in his sermon if he heard this!  Could I forward this to him?  anyway, keep it rockin&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Louise</title>
		<link>http://ivorybakery.com/religion2/2008/02/18/episode-2-forgiving-your-religious-upbringing/#comment-29</link>
		<dc:creator>Louise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 19:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brilliant! Thank you for the re-opening to the wisdom of the Wisdom Traditions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant! Thank you for the re-opening to the wisdom of the Wisdom Traditions.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://ivorybakery.com/religion2/2008/02/18/episode-2-forgiving-your-religious-upbringing/#comment-24</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 22:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another thing I wanted to share with the thoughtful folks that hang around here. For a long time in my earlier years, I practiced a couple different Christian religions. First Episcopalian and the Catholicism (though this one was forced upon me, rather than a choice I made personally). After being forced into the Catholic religion, when I was older and out on my own I chose to become an atheist. Since then, I've decided I don't know what to believe and am exploring the possibilities. But I can still identify with the following quote and think it has some bearing on what this site is all about:

"I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other gods you will understand why I dismiss yours." - Stephen F. Roberts</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thing I wanted to share with the thoughtful folks that hang around here. For a long time in my earlier years, I practiced a couple different Christian religions. First Episcopalian and the Catholicism (though this one was forced upon me, rather than a choice I made personally). After being forced into the Catholic religion, when I was older and out on my own I chose to become an atheist. Since then, I&#8217;ve decided I don&#8217;t know what to believe and am exploring the possibilities. But I can still identify with the following quote and think it has some bearing on what this site is all about:</p>
<p>&#8220;I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other gods you will understand why I dismiss yours.&#8221; - Stephen F. Roberts</p>
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